Fox News host Greg Gutfeld confronted co-host Jessica Tarlov during a heated exchange Wednesday on “The Five,” following newly declassified documents from Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard that tie former CIA Director John Brennan and other senior Obama officials to the creation of what is now widely disputed as the Trump-Russia collusion narrative.
Gutfeld criticized what he described as media and political double standards, arguing that the same outlets and officials who pushed the collusion theory for years are now dismissing verified government documentation that calls the original intelligence assessment into question.
At the center of the debate are documents declassified on July 19, 2025, by Gabbard. The materials include oversight findings, internal memos, and prior CIA communications that suggest President Barack Obama instructed Brennan in December 2016 to compile an Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA) that would link Russian interference to then-President-elect Donald Trump’s election victory.
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One document released by Gabbard’s office shows that Brennan pushed forward the ICA despite objections from veteran CIA officials who said the intelligence was “substandard” and relied on questionable sources, including the Steele dossier.
The declassified material indicates that Brennan insisted on using the dossier, stating, “Yes, but doesn’t it ring true?” when concerns were raised.
On Wednesday’s broadcast, Tarlov said it was “preposterous that we are talking about Hillary Clinton’s emails again,” suggesting the discussion was outdated.
Gutfeld pushed back, pointing to the years-long investigation and public discourse built around the Russia collusion allegations.
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“We spent years on this story, and it was false!” Gutfeld said.
When Tarlov objected, saying, “It wasn’t false,” Gutfeld responded, “When Trump won in 2016, the intel community concluded that Russia didn’t have a hand in his victory. Instead of accepting the conclusion, Obama determined and wanted a new conclusion. So he sent Brennan running to come up with a new collusion, that there was some kind of trivial involvement, that they could then feed out to the media, and coincidentally, dozens of news organizations said Trump was in bed with Putin, and that somehow, Brennan knew. How did he know? There was no proof!”
Tarlov then shifted focus to Special Counsel John Durham’s investigation, asking, “Why did John Durham do nothing?”
“There was no proof, there was no proof!” Gutfeld said.
“They amplified a false conclusion that Trump colluded with Russia in 2016. We had to spend years dealing with that, and now, we’re actually getting an investigation, and you’re saying, ‘You know what, you guys should just move on.’ You guys should just move on.”
He continued, “You say the same F-ing thing about Biden’s brain. You guys spent four years telling us that Joe Biden was fine. You covered up for an invalid, and then when we get the truth, it’s like, ‘You know what? We’ve got to look forward. We’ve got to stop talking about what’s there.’”
Gutfeld just nuked the dem narrative- leave the bodies on the floor @greggutfeld pic.twitter.com/cthk4WdqGh
— Karli Bonne’ 🇺🇸 (@KarluskaP) July 23, 2025
The documents released by Gabbard’s office indicate that the ICA’s conclusion—that Putin “aspired to help” Trump—was largely based on weak, unverifiable fragments of intelligence.
Other assessments reportedly suggested that Putin was preparing for a Clinton victory or remained neutral.
The documents also show that Brennan denied using the Steele dossier in the ICA, despite internal references to it in both the report and its annex.
Further releases, including ODNI press bulletins PR-15-25 and PR-18-25, allege that Brennan and others “mischaracterized intelligence” to shape a false narrative and excluded information that undermined the conclusion that Trump benefited from Russian interference.
Although no criminal charges have been brought against Brennan or other officials involved in the creation of the ICA, the newly declassified material has reignited calls from Republicans for full transparency.