CNN Host Nuked From Orbit During Transgender School Shooter Debate [WATCH]

White House senior director for counterterrorism Sebastian Gorka sparred with CNN anchor Brianna Keilar on Sunday during an appearance on “State of the Union,” where the two debated whether recent mass shootings committed by transgender individuals represent a larger pattern.

The exchange began when Gorka pointed to ideological motivations behind certain school shootings, including the 2023 Nashville Christian school attack.

“As you mentioned at the top of your monologue, we have the videos, we have the statements from the dead shooter that were clearly anti-Christian. Just as with the transgender attack on the Nashville Christian school in which more children were killed, there is an ideological connection to multiple of these attacks, where innocent children, especially Christians and Catholics, are targeted and that is very, very disturbing,” Gorka said.

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Keilar pressed him on whether focusing on the transgender identity of some shooters distracted from broader trends.

She cited a U.S. Secret Service National Threat Assessment Center study that reviewed 172 mass attacks between 2016 and 2020, showing 96 percent of attackers were non-transgender men.

“Are you missing the bigger picture here when you zero in on that, instead of more broadly these school shooters as an epidemic?” Keilar asked.

Gorka pushed back, arguing that the data Keilar cited conflated gang-related shootings and suicides with ideologically motivated mass shootings.

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“Let’s concentrate on mass shootings at schools, specifically Christian or Catholic schools. Then the data set is wholly different. So don’t conflate different data sets just to make a political point,” he said.

He added that attacks with ideological content should be viewed through the lens of terrorism.

Keilar countered by pointing to CNN’s count of 32 school shootings with four or more victims since 2020, in which three were committed by transgender shooters.

Gorka rejected the network’s statistics. “Yes, forgive me if I don’t go with CNN’s stats, OK? CNN has proven itself to be wholly inaccurate in all kinds of things for the last 10 years,” he responded.

Gorka claimed that in recent years there have been seven mass shootings involving individuals who were transgender or had gender confusion.

Keilar disputed his list, arguing that in some cases there was no evidence the suspects were transgender and that one had used anti-LGBTQ rhetoric. “See, you have an agenda,” Gorka told her.

The discussion shifted when Keilar asked what policies Gorka believed should be implemented.

Gorka said the focus should be on identifying early warning signals.

“One of these shooters at a recent school shooting had 24 interactions with the local law enforcement. Now, that beggars belief. We should be providing off-ramps. We should be providing mental health options for these individuals,” he said.

Gorka emphasized that violent behavior does not appear suddenly and that authorities often overlook signs.

Keilar pressed further, asking about school shooters who were not transgender.

Gorka said the same issues apply, with many perpetrators having prior interactions with schools or police.

He argued against blaming firearms and instead called for addressing individuals’ psychological issues before they escalate.

“Instead of blaming an inanimate object, which is the weapon, how about addressing the human being instead and giving them aid, giving them psychological support, giving them an off-ramp?” he said.

The interview concluded with a question about DHS cutting funding in July to the Minnesota Department of Safety and the Hennepin County Sheriff’s Office, money used to assess and manage mass violence threats.

Gorka responded by criticizing Minnesota’s gun-free zone policies, which he said were exploited by attackers.

“I’d start not with the policies coming out of a Department of Homeland Security that gets the threat. I concentrate on those municipalities and those governors like Tim Walz, who do what? Disarm honest citizens who could protect lives and save lives. Let’s start there,” he said.

The debate highlighted contrasting views on how to define and respond to recent school shootings, with Gorka emphasizing ideological motivations and early intervention while rejecting CNN’s framing of statistical trends.