Elon Musk and Ted Cruz discussed entitlement fraud, illegal immigration, and national election outcomes in an exchange focused on Democratic policy concerns and the potential political impact of halting fraudulent government payments.
The discussion centered on Musk’s claim that Democrats are primarily concerned about the possibility that large-scale entitlement payments to illegal aliens could be stopped, which he described as the core issue driving political resistance.
Musk said Democrats fear the end of what he described as fraudulent entitlement payments involving multiple federal programs.
He said those programs include Social Security, Medicare, unemployment benefits, disability programs, and Small Business Administration loans.
According to Musk, the concern is that these payments could be cut off to illegal aliens, which he described as the central issue behind political opposition.
“And the single biggest thing that they’re that they’re worried about is that Doge is going to turn off fraudulent payments of entitlements. I mean, everything from Social Security, Medicare, you know, unemployment, disability, Small Business Administration, loans turn them off to illegals. This is the crux of the matter. This is the thing that why they really hate my guts, want me to die,” Musk said.
Cruz asked Musk to quantify the scale of the alleged entitlement fraud, specifically questioning whether the amounts involved reached into the billions or hundreds of billions of dollars.
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“And do you think that’s billions, hundreds of billions? What do you think the scale is of that?” Cruz asked.
Musk responded by estimating the national total at between $100 billion and $200 billion.
He said this estimate reflects what he described as widespread entitlement fraud used to attract and retain large numbers of illegal aliens across the country.
“I think across the country, it’s, it’s in its wellness of 100 billion, maybe 200 billion. So by, by using entitlements fraud, the Democrats have been able to attract and retain vast numbers of illegal immigrants,” Musk said.
Cruz then interjected with a brief follow-up that framed the issue in electoral terms.
“And buy voters,” Cruz said.
Musk agreed with that characterization and expanded on how he believes the strategy affects elections, particularly in closely contested states.
He repeated his estimate of $100 billion to $200 billion and said that even small shifts in voter numbers can permanently alter political outcomes in swing states.
“And buy voters. Exactly I think across the country, it’s, it’s in its wellness of 100 billion, maybe 200 billion. So by, by using entitlements fraud, the Democrats have been able to attract and retain vast numbers of illegal immigrants,” Musk said.
Musk said it does not take a large number of votes to flip swing states, noting that some are decided by margins of 10,000 to 20,000 votes. He argued that bringing in significantly more illegal aliens than the voter margin in those states could eliminate their status as swing states over time.
“It doesn’t take much to turn the swing states blue. I mean, often a swing state be won by 10-20,000 votes. So the Dems can bring in 200,000 illegals, and over time, get them legalized,” Musk said.
Musk also addressed election integrity, stating that even without considering wrongdoing, the scale of immigration alone could reshape elections.
“Not, not counting any cheating that takes place, because there is some cheating. But even without cheating, if you make, if you have, if you bring in illegals that are 10x the voter differential in a swing state, it will no longer be a swing state,” he said.
Musk said this process would eventually result in Democrats winning all swing states, leading to permanent control of national institutions.
“And the dance will win all the swing states, just a matter of time, and America will be permanent, Deep Blue, socialist state, the House, the Senate, the presidency and the Supreme Court will all go hardcore Dem,” Musk said.
He continued by stating that such control would allow Democrats to further expand immigration, making political change impossible through elections alone.
“They will then further cement that by by bringing in even more aliens. So you just you can’t vote your way out of it,” Musk said.
Musk concluded by comparing the outcome to California, arguing that the situation would be worse because relocation would no longer be an option.
“One party socialist state, and it’ll be much worse than California, because at least California is mitigated by the fact that someone can leave California and go to Texas. Make everywhere California. But worse,” Musk said.
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