A congressional hearing on diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) policies grew contentious this week as Rep. Brandon Gill (R-TX) repeatedly challenged Dr. Shaun Harper, a prominent DEI advocate, on whether race should factor into hiring decisions and college admissions.
Dr. Harper, who has received over $20 million in grant funding from organizations including Soros’ Open Society Foundations and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, was testifying before the House Committee on Education and the Workforce.
The hearing examined the role of DEI in public institutions and whether such programs promote equal treatment or result in preferential policies based on race.
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Rep. Gill opened his line of questioning by asking Harper whether he believes people should be treated differently based on race.
“It’s just a yes or no question,” Gill said.
Harper responded, “People should receive the services and the support and the remedies that are owed to them.”
Gill then followed up, noting Harper’s refusal to answer directly. “That sounds like a yes,” Gill said, before turning to the issue of employment practices.
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The congressman asked Harper whether race should be considered when employers make hiring decisions.
Harper responded by stating, “I don’t believe that white people are the only group qualified for jobs.”
“I didn’t say that. Nobody said that,” Gill replied.
“I asked you if race should be considered in employer hiring practices, and you’re not going to intimidate me by slandering me as a racist.”
Harper insisted he had not called Gill a racist, but Gill maintained that the implication was clear. “No, you implied it though,” he said.
Continuing the exchange, Gill again asked Harper for a yes or no answer on whether race should be a factor in hiring decisions.
Harper declined to give a direct response.
The congressman then asked which races should be preferred, a question Harper also did not answer directly.
The back-and-forth persisted as Harper appeared visibly flustered and repeated that he had not said what Gill was suggesting.
Gill moved on to the topic of college admissions, presenting Harper with a hypothetical scenario.
“If there’s one spot left at a university, and one applicant is white and the other is black, should they be evaluated based on the same objective criteria—test scores, for instance?” Gill asked.
Harper again avoided a direct response. “I believe in holistic admissions,” he said.
“That means we consider a wide range of factors—academic achievement, extracurricular activities, socioeconomic background, ethnicity, and gender, among others.”
“Yeah, no, I can’t answer that question for you as a proponent of holistic admissions,” Harper added.
“Got it,” Gill responded. “I’ll take that as a no.”
Radical Democrat witness REFUSES to say Americans should not be treated differently based on race.@RepBrandonGill: “Should people be treated differently based on their race? Yes or no.”
Dr. Harper: “It’s not a yes or no question…”
Unbelievable. Watch this. 👇🏻 pic.twitter.com/dg4IOkclAt
— Oversight Committee (@GOPoversight) June 25, 2025
The hearing, which was part of a broader inquiry into the impact of DEI programs on public policy and taxpayer-funded institutions, featured testimony from multiple witnesses with varying views.
Lawmakers on the committee are expected to continue examining the legal and constitutional implications of race-based considerations in hiring and admissions in light of recent court rulings and public concern.